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Post by waterlily on May 14, 2007 9:25:07 GMT 7
TCW gave me an idea on starting this thread... tcw said that dancers shud be given a 'superb' choreo or else they won't perform their best... agree? disagree? no comment? any comments? bring it on!!!!
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Post by jasonsiah on May 14, 2007 12:08:49 GMT 7
Waterlily.. Thank u for starting this thread.. I am actually thinking to post smth about the choreo as well but just afraid that everything mixes it bcomes too ROJAK~ haha!
Well.. Sean's elimination.. Of course I do not BLAME all to the choreography.. As u said, Us as the SUPPORTERS are very important as well.. We have to VOTE~ Too bad my Vote is not enough to maintain him in the competition..
As in my opinion.. I really really think that the dance for Sean last week was not good enough.. I respect to all the instructors and choreographer for sure but then.. The dance really cannot shine Sean but only condemning his true talent and skills~ Surely everyone feels sad for a lost in SYTYCD.. This is normal but I really agree with what waterlily said.. Hey Supporters out there.. PLs pls .. Do vote especially for the true talent in Msia! =D
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Post by tcw on May 14, 2007 12:13:34 GMT 7
Adding to that , from TV viewers point of view , you need to have a good and professional camera man as there were many angles where the dancer perform well but the shot was not taken . Nice shots will creat better impact in making the show more popular and creating the feeling cant wait to see the show again next week . Nothing personal except hope to see a more quality show as compare to other countries where similar show was held . Malaysia Boleh
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Post by mungojerry on May 14, 2007 12:30:17 GMT 7
choreography plays an important role in any dance pieces. and a good choreopraghy always come from a good choreographer (obviously,duh). ;D
being a good choreographer doesn't mean that that person is a good dancer.
AND being a good dancer doesn't guarantee that that person is a good choreopragher.
i have intimately known, interacted and worked with quite a number of experienced choreographers and great dancers before. therefore the statements above were both given purely based on my experience and NOT assumptions.
in my humble opinion, experience is one of the great factors that leads to a production of an awesome choreography. it's true that some people are born with pure talent and they can choreograph great dance pieces even when they're so green. but who can deny the power of knowledge? the power that expands itself to that unlimited restriction, the one that becomes richer and much more valuable as you grow older? combine both factors, that is talent AND experience; and you will get a very good choreographer.
good choreographers can bring the best out of the lousiest dancer (based on my personal experience ok). they can coach and point out the issues you're having with when you execute certain moves wrongly. and they'll provide answers on how to solve that problem. good dancers can coach too, but not all can become good coaches. and certainly not all can pinpoint your mistakes and provide solutions to it.
so i think, yes, it's vital to get good choreograpers to produce good choreographies so that the hidden potentials and talents of SYTYCD dancers could be unsealed and unleashed in the show.
common mistake made by a layperson when he/she watches a dance performance: a performance with loads of stunts is good and a performance without stunts is bad. the number of stunts in a piece doesn't show the quality of a particular choreography. if you wanna watch good pre-choreographed stunts, go and watch cheerleading competitions. they'll definitely gonna serve you entertaining choreographies and various kinds of stunts to quench your adrenalin thirst. ;D
it's true, some dancestyles require the dancers to execute certain technics (or stunts) to convey the implied messages in the choreography. you can find this a lot in lyrical. other than that, i don't think it's COMPULSORY to have special stunts done in every dancestyles.
for me, all dancers in SYTYCD Malaysia are one super talented bunch. lead them the right way and you'll get a brethtakingly beautiful (if not heart-pumping, mind-blowing, nerve-wrecking and sure-ternganga-mulut-sampai-lalat-masuk-pun-tak-sedar-level) performances.
just a piece of mungojerry's mind
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Post by waterlily on May 14, 2007 15:15:46 GMT 7
wah mungojerry.... just a piece? its more like a blog... (joking joking...)
good good... some improvements on our forum as well... make it hot hot hot!!! i rike!!!
come back to the choreo thingy... ok, Sean in particular last week... he just lack of emotions and the correct look in his eyes as a Latin dancer... he got the correct legs and arms movement but not the 'look'... latin male has to seduce the female dancer and makes her tinggling thru the knees... auwwww.... i think that what puts him in bottom 4 last week... Dennis is the best example of less arm/leg choreo but his expressions overcome everything...
yes Jasonsiah... vote and vote... hmmm, i think you need to cast 10 SMSs... -lol-
Mungojerry, just some points to support your 'hujah-hujah'.... Sean and Brancy.... 1st week = super duper extravaganza fantabulous fergilicious performance (opps, ter'over' plak) 2nd week = see.... what happened to Sean, became lousy.. Brancy also not that fantastic compared to last week... so, maybe our choreographer needs to work more on 'coaching' them rather making the dancers memorizing the steps...
Yannus's choreo on 2nd week much more better... he does R&B hip hop better... just hip hop, a'a... not 'tough' enough... recap the 1st week, what's with both hands swinging side to side? it reminds me of Noorkumalasari's clip on the song 'Mata'... =D excepts that she swings the hands behind the back.... har har har har har.... but no doubt, he such a 'macho' man... auwwww....
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Post by marvelous on May 14, 2007 19:01:14 GMT 7
Very good point mungojerry!
But!there's a but, everyone forgets, and just keep writing opinions, from my experience i've worked before in the 90's and have taken classes from Yannus and others etc in the US and Aus and London, Choreographers that's in the profesional industry gets to hold auditions to search for the best dancers/acrobats or any talents that the project needs! unfortunately we cannot compare our dancers! to American dancers and certainly not the US Versions of SYTYCD!
Example: Blake was a profesional dancer that has worked for Britney and Janet Jackson and he entered the SYTYCD season 1 US as a pro dancer,we don't have any dancers here to even come close to the Top 5000 over there,compare to us,we got our Top 20 most very talented individuals that went throught 500ppl at panggung bandaraya. And put such an amazing performances this past couple of weeks!
Again eg: He's(Blake) amazing strong dancer and also has tricks/flips etc himself,so it's easier for any choreographers to have that to work with! duh All The US Top 20 are Sourced out from auditions about 10-20 thousand ppl(dancers) approx, i hear recently in vegas one city they had over 5000ppl auditioned for US Season 3! so my point is that Choreographers here in Malaysia is very limited and the dancers ain't as good to even learn quick in 3 days and don't even mention doing it properly with style/emotions,attitude,sharp and tricks and etc, Choreographers given the choice in the US and everywhere, to hold audition and pick the best of the best and the cream of the crop to execute any performance,regardless solo,couple or group performances of any projects or show! That's why they put amazing Shows/Tours/Music Videos! Here we don't have that, so just be happy with our super talented Top 16!!
So we cannot blame on Choreographers/Choreography! Sean is out cuz malaysia didn't vote enough! yes maybe he shouldn't be in bottom 4! I'm sure 8tv production used and tried the best and contacted all the experienced/recommended choreographers in Malaysia! indeed there's showing allready some talented individuals,my choice! Guys: Jimmy,Dennis,Yuz,Alam and Vish(need more). Girls: Becky,Brancy,Nikki,Noor,Sue. Some of These guys been lucky,but i believe it's going to get even tougher!
Peace out!
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Post by ninjaturtle on May 14, 2007 22:43:25 GMT 7
its really true that the choreographers somtimes nvr modify their dances to the dancers abilities... everytime see dennis flip during the show intro but nvr see him do all his stunts when he dance. but chris does his popping for strt jazz and nikki do her breakdance pike for malay contemp... a bit not fair rite?? show off some dancers but nvr show off others? same for sean la, he couldnt shine in latin. and then davina+firul with that funny dance summore. when i saw them smile during the song i thogt 'how come they smile for lagu jiwang???" looks like tiara thought the same thing
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Post by starccs on May 14, 2007 22:58:39 GMT 7
IMHO,
i felt that Yunnus's choreo last week wasnt that good.. well it was not only his la.. but i feel that at time ppl tend to overated him. When i saw the choreo last week, nothin really special about it.. YEs it is good but not great.. maybe the dancers did not perform according to wat yunnus wanted bbut then it is still lacking..
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Post by waterlily on May 15, 2007 8:19:13 GMT 7
Yes starccs... yes yes!! that's what we (mungojerry and I) were trying to say... Yannus still does not shine as a choreographer.... and i dun think anybody is comparing our dancers with US dancers.... anybody? halo halo.... its juz like comparing Chris Daughtry to our Daniel MIdol 2... no offence... but... hmmmmm... no offence....
simple example what happened to Sean, he never does latin or malay contemporary before... but he shined the most with Azwa, and perform badly in latin... Sean definitely can dance yoh... so, the conclusion, i'd rather leave it to everybody to have a thought about ;-) peace too.... Let's see this week...
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Post by touchthesky on May 15, 2007 9:46:15 GMT 7
well guys.. I don't think it's the choreography. The show is about getting dancers to fit to the different STYLEs.. not fitting the dancers' style into the dance. the dancers have to learn to be someone ELSE, not just show off THEIR skills and what they're good at. If like that every week we'll see the hip hop dancers do handstand during ballroom la. It's about being able to shine above the challenge of doing something else they are not used to... its not the choreography. We are all bummed about Sean getting out... and no doubt he's a good dancer.. but maybe he didn't show enough passion when he danced... that was the comment he was given. Don't blame the choreography OR the choreographers... to be honest ANYONE can look fantastic doing just the simplest dance moves... its about having the performing quality within them. Maybe dancers are nervous or what,... their challenge is overcoming all the negativity and just giving all out when it's their turn to perform.
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