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Post by uptowndragon on May 15, 2007 11:44:45 GMT 7
"Dennis¡¦ performance was a little too cartoonish for my liking. He really needs to wise up and start focusing on getting more technically sober, than to continue to rely on his naughtiness to carry him through. After a while, the viewers will get bored with the antics, and loose interest. Need more substance from him." "Understandably Davina¡¦s lack of training puts her at a clear disadvantage, as her execution of her routines is weak and shapeless, as evidenced in their hip hop workout this week. But what is unforgiving, is the well trained Firul struggling to keep up. Most of his execution seemed half hearted and imprecise. Not what I would have expected from someone of his stature. I was quite surprised that he was not in the bottom 4 instead of Sean this week. Perhaps working with a weaker dancer like Davina may have dampened his spirit." <-- I'm just saying we gotta be fair to the dancers...... give them the biggest fighting chance they have in the competition... even possibly influencing others to like/not like them is incredibly unfair. If you started this forum and enjoy expressing your opinion in a manner like this then I suppose... no one can question you huh. The dancers are incredibly talented.... you can see in their eyes how bad some of them want this . We already know the SMS voting shows become a popularity contest rather than a talent contest,... so yo everyone just give them support man. I thought this is a SUPPORT column when I came here... so lets keep it at that. Don't be a hater. Pc out. There is nothing unfair about the comments i made about the above dancers. It was a straightforward observation. If the comments did not favour one dancer this week it may not favour another the next. It is entirely up to them to impress us with their "incredible" talents. Just because u do not agree with the above observations doesn't make it wrong or unfair. It will also not undermine their chances of winning. Their fans will support them irregardless. It is also up to the dancers to do their best so that we give them good comments as well. By just giving only positive comments, we are not helping them at all. Support is when u tell them the truth so that they can better themselves and improve. They do not have to agree with everything we say, and can choose to ignore it. Or they can use the feedback as well. We cant be going around saying everyone was great every week can we? They are not pre-teens who constantly need positive reinforcements. Expose them to the real world so that they can learn to survive in it. We have not said the dancers have no talent, but we also have not said they are incredibly talented either. That is also a subject for debate. Just because u say they are incredibly talented doesn't make it so. But let's just say they are all incredible dancers like you opined. Then it would be incredibly unfair to just award one winner right. Maybe we shoud have 20 winners instead. That will be the most fair I suppose. Hmmm. I agree with you that an SMS voting competition is a popularity contest (with some exceptions). That's why we constantly tell all the contestants that talent alone is not enough, and they need to build a following. It is a strategic game, and it is entirely up to their initiative to take advantage of all the options opened to them. As for me influencing anybody is also a subject for debate. In fact the whole premise of foruming is about expounding influence. Every single forumer does it, in bits and pieces, some more than others. Even the contestants do it. The forum has been running for a long time now, but some of the contestants have been actively lobbying their causes from the very beginning, and some have just come about and started doing the same, but there are others who have not been on at all. Some don't even have internet access. So do you think that is also fair? (We at Rentak even requested 8TV to help the contestants who have no access to get online, so that everyone of them gets a fair shake) Nothing is fair in life, my friend, and the sooner the contestants learn it, the better for them. We are not providing a support forum, where we stroke people's egos and say nice things. We are providing a platform for everyone to have their say, and the contestants to use their own initiative to maximise it. If they want to win this competition badly enough, I am certain they will do everything in their power to get there. Tell me who do you think we hate then? The only hate that I see here is the hate being propagated by you to us for saying it as it is. Don't brand others as haters just because their opinions don't match with yours. Come on, lighten up and take it easy. Let everyone have their say. By the way you also have the capacity to INFLUENCE. Peace to you too.
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Post by touchthesky on May 15, 2007 12:15:00 GMT 7
I didn't say anyone is a hater. I just said don't be one. so you think you've been totally fair and stayed middle ground and not played favoritism and been helpful? Aight then.. thats what you think. If you think you're being constructive... aight then. But there's a fine line between constructive criticism and being offensive. AGAIN I ain't sayin you are offensive just so you can reply me with a mile long post.. just sayin.. don't cross that line. I ain't angry.. but I was kinda expecting that maybe the admin cud've thought about phrasing things better. I'm just thinkin that it's unfair to people in a competition - public opinion is one thing, as administrator of the forum,.. you provide the official report, and people do listen to you to a certain extent. But apparently I'm the bad guy here. So sorry,.. Sorry for looking out for the dancers... and sorry for trying to promote positive feedback. I think the dancers rock....they beat out hundreds to make it to the top 20... and the judges with real dance knowledge chose them to be there.. Yo dancers - keep pushin thru!
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Post by jasonsiah on May 15, 2007 12:47:10 GMT 7
It's getting HOTTER here man~ haha.. It's good for a FORUM tho.. This is why I like to visit Forums.. Well getting the chance to understand other ppl's opinions, comments and even complaints is actually a nice thing to be done.. We all should appreciate it.. Here is two paragraphs quoted from uptowndragon's reply:
"By just giving only positive comments, we are not helping them at all. Support is when u tell them the truth so that they can better themselves and improve. They do not have to agree with everything we say, and can choose to ignore it. Or they can use the feedback as well.
We cant be going around saying everyone was great every week can we? They are not pre-teens who constantly need positive reinforcements. Expose them to the real world so that they can learn to survive in it."
I AGREE with my two legs UP!!.. (Oops.. Over pulak.. hehe) But I really really support what he said.. I personally support many of them in the Top 20 bcos I really can see how hard for each and everyone of them to place themselves into the Top 20.. Moreover, they hv to practice a new dance with a partner in just 6 hours time and then perform on stage LIVE nationally on tv!! This is really something we should RESPECT and SUPPORT.. But comment-wise.. I really feel that the contestants need to know their weakness as well instead of just giving them praises or compliments.. And I believe they are more than happy to get those msg (not consider as BEING OFFENSIVE la..) than anybody else.. They need to know more than just the few comments from the judges themselves..
As u said, the dancers ROCK!! Yeah.. They really are! I am so proud of them!!!.. THey really have PASSION in dancing and please.. Keep this up.. Thursday is coming.. hehe.. Cant wait to see the next performance!!!~~
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Post by disguised on May 15, 2007 13:09:22 GMT 7
I just have to say that there's just too much hatred in this forum - if its not for the contestants its for the people commenting. And my HONEST OPINION (since this IS a place for such things) is that the administrator should just take the comments and let it be (since it IS a place for OTHERS to voice their fair share of opinions too). There's no need to be so defensive over what people are saying about you. Touchthesky, I'm SOOO with you!
so now for MY fair share of opinions...
Obviously, the administrator NEED NOT have said that. working with a weaker dancer like Davina might have DAMPENED HIS SPIRITS?
Pffftt....who are you to say who dampened whose spirits and who are you to say that DAVINA was the cause of Firul's mess ups? It could have been HIS OWN fault. So there's no need to put the blame on someone else. As for your opinion about who's weak and all, hey, you're entitled to it - but dont BLAME that person! Thats just NOT FAIR.
Integrity to be fair to all? Then maybe you should be fair to the weaker ones as well by NOT putting them down. Ever heard of the phrase "If you've got nothing nice to say, dont say it?"
Okay okay, so its a FORUM, so what?!!! It does mean that you SHOULD be MEAN in a forum! Contestants could be reading this themselves and it certainly is NOT NICE if they read such hurtful things. If you're so full of "your integrity to be fair to all", then be fair to THEM by not bringing them down with your comments.
Positive? Yea right. I'm sorry to say this, and I DONT CARE what you're gonna say after this, but you're only positive to YOUR FAVOURITES. Yea, thats what I said alright! You should really read what you said while keeping in mind what I've just told you.
Look, dear mr administrator, i can see that you're quite hostile in the way you write and there's no need to hate touchthesky for what he has just said. Now now, dont go shoving ME for my opinions too. After all, I'm just here expressing my FAIR COMMENTS.
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Post by Bong on May 15, 2007 13:41:40 GMT 7
First of all.. knowing uptowndragon for SOOOO long.. since MI seasons.. definitely he is the one wise man and the most fair person i have ever met.. yeah.. i know u guys will be thinking i m one of the admin here too and ofcourse i will support him.. yes.. u can say that.. as long as i and others out there know who he really is..
If is not because of him.. OIAM & SYTYCD wont even have a site like this for us to express ourself further and perhaps contribute to the betterment of 8tv.. mind u 8tv looks up rentak very well i should say.. what more is the contestants here love our comments be it good or bad.. they accept what had been said(especially dragon's statements).. and we can see they are moving towards the positive side than the negative side after seeing all these so called negative BIAS and UNFAIR comments..
And to the contestants themselves.. i m sure they trust dragon's posting than thinking dragon is being bias.. if not they would have STOPPED coming in this forum.. afterall.. dragon is the one that promote this site to them.. working hard for EACH SINGLE ONE OF THEM to come in to this forum and he had set up a special sub-board column for everyone in the competition.. if he is being unfair.. he might as well just start for his favourites rather than wasting time helping others he dont like..
And for the saying that he is not giving constructive comments and he loves his favourites and so he started "kutuking" other contestants.. that is totally WRONG.. he has been doing this since One In A Million and Malaysian Idol season 1 and 2.. and no one ever start saying these words to him.. if so, he should have been banned LOOONG LOOONG time ago than letting him continues this.. what makes it more interesting is.. his comments sometimes do get the judges light bulb ON and the judges themselves do agree totally to him.. that is ofcourse they themselves have not thought of that particular thingy and yet they say dragon is right..
Our job here are to voice out our opinion too.. what we had seen and what we thought.. which yes sometimes it might hurt the fans BUT THEN AGAIN.. no one likes negative comments.. it all depends on how one accept it with an open heart (M sure the contestants can do this.. y cant u fans..?) i dont see any contestants fighting with dragon so far.. neither with other fans like us here..
If dragon would have been bias and unconstructive.. obviously he will not have make an effort to request for the dancers for easier internet connection and he wouldnt have wanted to waste his hard earned money to make calls and pay up transports' money just to be bias..
Please guys.. we are hoping for constructive comments and let the contestants see how they can improve themselve.. they cant see themselve dance and comment bout themselve.. and mind u guys.. dragon had been working hard on EVERY SINGLE contestants in SYTYCD.. if u guys dont believe.. ask the contestants that often come in here.. they can tell u themselves..
owh by the way.. we admin here dont attack ppl.. we only attack situations and we coments on what we see.. ;D ;D.. constructive comments like i said earlier..
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Post by Bong on May 15, 2007 14:15:34 GMT 7
Not to forget.. if he is bias.. he wouldnt even be bothered to post up other contestants' pictures in here.. do u guys know how long winded process izzit to posts up SOOOO many pictures in this forum..
Come come.. please do comment more on the show in here.. i repeat.. comments on the show not personal comments.. we at rentak sejuta OPEN UP OUR BOTH HANDS WIDE to welcoming all your comments..
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Post by uptowndragon on May 15, 2007 14:28:50 GMT 7
Everyone is entitled to their opinions and all are welcome and appreciated, even the ones lambasting me. That's what makes a forum what it is. We can never aim to please everyone and sometimes our comments may not be pleasant for some of our forumers, and that includes the contestants.
But it also gives them an opportunity to stand up and respond if they are not satisfied. In the end its all good.
Even negative comments or unpleasant ones have a possitive bearing on them. Its good to see people stand up and fight for their favourites.
Please do not take my comments as hostile as it is not meant to be, although some may perceive it as such. There are also others who do not see it as hostile, and think is fair comment. There will always be differing opinions on everything said.
Like they say "one man's meat is another man's poison".
Frankly, I have no favourites in this competitions, and my opinions will differ each week depending on their performances. I also never water down my comments to please people, but the good news is I do not do it behind a veil, so they know who it is actually coming from.
I don't believe there is hatred in this forum, just opinions.
Cheers all and keep it coming.
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Post by mungojerry on May 15, 2007 14:30:29 GMT 7
i agree with Bong^Bong..please focus on SYTYCD instead of SUDIAH (So UptownDragon Is A Hater--as some people in here might see it).. dragon is being honest and was bombarded because he did so. looks like being cruel to be kind is HARD isn't it? but feeding sweet nothings won't do any good either.
whatever it is, i still love the show and the dancers. i really look forward for the next episode this Thursday.*bounce bounce*
ruums here i come!!!!!!!!!!!! ;D
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Post by waterlily on May 15, 2007 15:32:56 GMT 7
aihhhh.... each human has their own style of commenting or criticizing..... why don't all of us stop being personal about other people comments and stop asking people how they should put up their words over this forum.... no offence to Bong Bong/ Firebreath Bro/ touchthesky/ disguised or even my self for that matter ... but i don't think Firebreath needs to explain to everybody why he feels this and that... touchthesky does not oblige to consent to others opinions and Bong Bong definitely don't have to backup Firebreath Bro (i know u meant well though) with your histories with him..... don't be oversensitive kayyyy.... we cannot 'force' anybody to follow our style of doing things... look at the big picture... look at the overall... look at the why are we doing this... THE CONTESTANTS OF COURSE.... so, lets support them, back them up.... not ourselves this is my two cents worth
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Post by uptowndragon on May 15, 2007 16:05:37 GMT 7
Salute Waterlily. Fuyoh!!!
Your two cents is definitely worth more. Hee Hee!!!
Cheers.
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